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Wikinews:WNN:Proposal
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NOTE:"WNN" is not an official Wikinews project. It is a project proposed by a few, and is widely opposed and rejected by the wikinews community. Any "WNN" material is the result of a private effort and does not represent the efforts of the wikinews community.
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This proposal was put to a vote and rejected.
WikiNews Network is an idea to create a 24-hour-a-day news network containing what the proponents believe is wiki-able content that features Audio Wikinews, News Briefs, and Breaking News updates. The goal of the network is to easily let users contribute and interact in the creation and production of the network's content.
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Proposal
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Content
The content for WikiNews Network will mainly consist of pre-recorded Audio Wikinews News Briefs, Audio Wikinews Full Reports; and will feature other programs aiming to be as NPOV as humanly possible.
Genres of programs:
Audio Wikinews Full Reports are pre-recorded presentations of published articles on Wikinews. In some cases, the actual story itself may be ed for length, but generally the entire article will be presented.
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As the volume of articles contributed to WN increases, some Full Reports may not consist of simply the leading stories from WN, but rather, localized broadcast covering stories from Europe, Asia, South America and other regions. Additionally, contributors may record Full Reports on special topics such as Technology, Politics, etc., provided its content is from Wikinews.
Audio Wikinews News Briefs are pre-recorded semi-daily news segments that update listeners on the latest developments in articles.
Breaking News updates are live or pre-recorded Breaking News updates. It is recognized that breaking news reports may have elements demonstrating POV, but, as stories develop , NPOV will be achieved.
Wikipedia content is spoken articles taken directly from Wikipedia, but the focus of WNN remains on any actual news.
Royalty-free music is music expressly released as Free License or into the public domain.
User shows are shows that users sign up for that are either prerecorded and broadcasted at a regular time on a schedule, or are produced live on the network. Several precautions have been set up to ensure that live broadcasts are safe. First of all, users can only broadcast during the time slot they signed up for. Second of all, Broadcast Administrators constantly monitor live streams and can boot of users that have committed audio vandalism or are blatantly POV.
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Playlist
This is the default playlist, or queue, to be played when no one is broadcasting live. The community will be able to submit and assemble a block of programming and Broadcast Administrators will stream that playlist, generally consisting of pre-recorded Audio Wikinews Full Reports, News Briefs, live Breaking News Updates, and a selection of royalty-free music, as content arrives.
To that end, here is the initial playlist proposal:
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Anchors/Shows
Any member of Wikinewsie is welcomed to start a new show. The process for doing so would include a brief page on your show at "WNN:" followed by a small voting process to see if wikinewsies would like such a show to air. A "Broadcast Admin" will then work with the show's proposer to work on scheduling the show and set it up so the proposer has the ability to air the show only during the scheduled timeslot. The show must follow basic policies of wikinews, such as it has to be NPOV.
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Remaining NPOV
Alot of disscussion about WNN remaining NPOV is on the talk page, this section will clarify how WNN will be kept NPOV.
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With Pre-Recorded Shows
Simply if possible a script that anyone can before it gets recorded will be on the wiki, so the community can check it out, and no mater what a broadcast admin will listen to it to insure its presenting with a NPOV before being played.
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With Live Shows
Broadcast admin will almost always be listening to the stream, and if durring a live show it strays from being NPOV a broadcast admin can stop the broadcast. Broadcast admins are also encouraged to discuss POV on IRC WikiNews Network Channel , WikiNews Channel , and Wikinews English Language Channel . Broadcast admins should have voice , or another distictive mark in front of their name in the WikiNews Network Channel, #WNN
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Broadcast Admins
WNN will be maintained by "Broadcast Admins" who will be nominated by the wikinews community similar to the way of nominating traditional Wiki Admins work.
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WNN Policies
1. All WNN programming must follow basic Wikinews policies such as NPOV.
2. For a new show to be introduced, the community must vote on it.
3. Broadcast admins will be picked using the same rules for picking Wikinews admins.
4. Broadcast admins will have the ability to disconnect a show's stream if it is POV or audio-vandalism.
5. Adding, removing, or changing of any WNN policies will be done in the same manner as adding, removing, or changing any Wikinews policies.
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Votes
Support. -- NGerda 18:26, July 28, 2005
Oppose in current form. This project needs to use the Wikinews site as something other than as a list of links or as repository of media files . The idea needs more development to ensure a way that includes wiki . -- Davodd | Talk 18:47, 28 July 2005
- Comment i am not sure what you mean it ueses the wikinews site as somethinh other than as a list of links or as reposditory of media file, it s an enhancement to wikinews, and does following wikinews pricipals such as NPOV, the only part of the proposal that i think might need to be changed is starting new shows, i dunoo if it would be beter to have to have community support to start a new show or to have them start it and allow the community to oppose a show after its started, kinda like how articles work, i really haven't got any community input on that really.--Ryan524 18:58, 28 July 2005
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- Under this proposal, the stories will only appear as a collection of links - which begs the question, why host it here rather than somewhere else? Also, the proposal doesn't explain why it does not include a wiki-page that includes the transcript of the story. Additionally, it appears that by not including wiki in the proposal, WNN may be outside of the Wikimedia Foundation's goals for its projects, which is to promote free wiki-based content creation. I have yet to see WNN try to employ any wiki-based content in its product. It appears to me that WNN will be using Wikimedia server space and bandwidth for a non Wiki end-product. This issue needs to be addressed and justified in the proposal. -- Davodd | Talk 19:19, 28 July 2005
- Further opposition - This proposal creates a new class of admins without explanation or justification, see: Talk:WNN:Proposal#"Broadcast Admin" Questions. -- Davodd | Talk 19:13, 28 July 2005
Oppose. I still don't understand "user shows" thing, and if it's like World Report, then I certainly disagree with it . Also, the whole process of doing this is still to be explained, including all the technical details. --Dejan Čabrilo 19:15, 28 July 2005
Oppose ----RossKoepkeTalk 03:59, 31 July 2005
Oppose I have some issues with user shows, and Broadcast Admins, but if these issues can be resloved I am support. --Cspurrier 21:15, 28 July 2005
Oppose Three issues: Live/not publically scripted content, Broadcast admins, and webcast hosting. The first two have been brought up repeatedly to the organizers, but they have still not been addressed, so I must assume the proposers are specifically not addressing those issues. - Amgine/talk 21:33, 28 July 2005
Oppose. Not a lot of point of repeating verbatim what's just been said. To be honest - and I've said this on meta - I do not think WNN is suitable for Wikinews, and should be it's own project. Dan100 21:48, 28 July 2005
Oppose as currently proposed. --Chiacomo 04:54, 29 July 2005
Oppose And here's why. Lets go in to what people have mentioned. I think this proposal needs to be updated, however, i'll answer people's comments and questions here anyway. In terms of technical details, hosting and broadcasting arrangements are already ready to roll when needed, this includes everything in the way of server resources and bandwidth. The reason "Broadcast Admin" was included in the proposal is that it might not be appropriate for everyone who should control a stream's functions to neccesarily have complete sysop control over the entire wiki. It is designed as a sub-set of admin functionality, rather than a seperate set of powers. I can't see why live unpublically scripted content is an issue, a wiki already incorporates such constantly changing content, which is not immediately moderated. The wiki will be a part of the project, the concept is merely extending the wiki concept in to an audio form. If you have any more questions, be sure to put them forth; I do however feel a new updated proposal may be of benefit. Kyelewis 06:47, 29 July 2005
- On second thought, while i support the concept, of course, this draft of the proposal is not good, and so I will Oppose this partcicular proposal. However, I support the concept, I believe that I need to work with Ryan and NGerda on the proposal wording and information. Kyelewis 06:56, 29 July 2005
*Support. If other versions of Wikinews can be furthered out to be a "one man" item, and are also in same fashion of being claimed as "non-able", then it should stay along with them. Examples would be the RSS feed, the print version, and others. --Mrmiscellanious 22:53, 31 July 2005
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Support the concept. Needs more work to fit in with the community, however. --Mrmiscellanious 18:20, 1 August 2005
Support Concept, that is... Needs work though. --TUFKAAP 23:13, 2 August 2005
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Discussion
Honestly, I think many of the individuals above were misinformed on Wikimedia's policies. In fact, WikiNews Network should be seen as the next logical step in fulfilling Wikimedia's goal. Read this quote taken directly from Wikimedia's own site:
I think we should go further still and shoot for the ultimate goal of creating "Wikimedia." That's media with an "m." It would use Wiki-style rules to enable public participation in the creation and ing of all kinds of media: encyclopedias and other reference works, current news, books, fiction, music, video etc. Like current broadcast media, it would have differentiated "channels" and "programs," each with self-selecting audiences. Unlike current media, however, the audience would also be actively involved in creating its own programming, instead of merely passively watching it.
This is the exact goal of the WikiNews Network. To use Wiki-style rules to enable public participation in the creation and ing of broadcast audio media. It would have differentiated "programs," each with self-selecting audiences. The audience would also be actively involved in creating its own programming, instead of merely passively watching it. WikiNews Network continues Wikimedia's goal. -- NGerda 03:10, July 31, 2005
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General comments
WNN is unworkable and has no future.
Wikimedia Foundation projects use text-based wikis. If anyone wishes to experiment with ing audio, they have to accept that this cannot be done on a Wikimedia wiki.
- Haven't you heard of Spoken Wikipedia?--Ryan524 10:58, 29 July 2005
ing of audio content is not realistic. All Wikimedia projects have to be inclusionist; audio ing excludes all who are not experienced at ing audio.
- No special skills actually required here.--Ryan524 10:58, 29 July 2005
Live shows, of any kind, are not acceptable. Wikimedia Projects are built on the foundation of collaboration by anyone and everyone via the medium of the wiki.
- anybody can participate in a live show.--Ryan524 10:58, 29 July 2005
- Actually, getting a little broader, Wikimedia sanctions any example of a community effort that allows anyone to participate. Yes, wikis are included in this, but I don't see anything in the policies that goes against WNN. Veritos 02:25, 31 July 2005
There is no demand for streaming. On-demand audio, via users downloading Wikinews:Audio Wikinews recordings, are sufficient.
- Audio WIkinews isn't sufficient!--Ryan524 10:58, 29 July 2005
The proponents of this project need to take on board and heed the constant criticism of this idea over the last two months, and accept the will of the community on this issue.
- Oddly enough, none of the criticism has any truth to it or is too vauge.--Ryan524 10:58, 29 July 2005
A live broadcast with an administrator monitoring the broadcast it not workable, and is not similar, despite the claims of the proposal, to administrators on real Wiki projects. Administrators are not meant to be an authority in any way, and this would make them into authority figures. Samrolken 00:57, 8 August 2005
Dan100 10:32, 29 July 2005
- I'm tired of arguing with teenagers who can't manage anything more than "I'm right/you're wrong" - so I won't. Dan100 10:13, 30 July 2005
- Dan100, personal attacks do not move Wikinews forward. Please stop personally attacking opponents. It's against the rules. Here it is yet again in audio form. Please, let's treat each other with respect and dignity, and perhaps we can move forward in improving Wikinews. -- NGerda
- They would not be no more authority figures than admins are on the wiki.--Ryan524 22:35, 11 August 2005
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